Sometimes preparing food and eating it can seem like a full time job!
Choose foods (or supplements) with a HIGHER CALORIE DENSITY. By doing so, you can get more calories in the same amount of food.
You must login to post a message.
modano9 27 December 2008 Busy, Malek, Busy. Hope you had a great Christmas! malek256 26 December 2008 You too Passion! Another week and I'm no longer with gaining-mass.com (pixabit's the admin); you'll find me on huffsfitness and massology. Passion 26 December 2008 Merry Christmas! malek256 23 December 2008 Thank you Modano, how is huffsfitness going? modano9 19 December 2008 Welcome back Malek.
Joined: 21.10.06 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 14
Status:
Posted on 19 December 2006, 08:21
Hi Malek and others,
I've been watching your website for a couple of months now (while I've been finishing AE's program) and am going to give your program a go. I've had great success with AE's program. My current stat's are 86kg with 12% bf (I'm 6ft tall). My overall goal is 92kg at 8% bf. Current flat bench is equivalent to my body weight and can squat 100kg for a couple of reps.
Hoping you could send me a link to the latest brute and volume workout sheets. Do you have a 3 and 5 day workout sheet for volume? I haven't trained for about 4 weeks due to me recently getting married etc. I fortunately haven't put on too much weight in this time.
Do you suggest I start with the brute phase first? Also in terms of diet, should I adopt a cimilar calorie intake to that recommended by AE??
All help appreciated. No doubt I'll have many more questions over the coming weeks. I have to say that the four week break has really gotten me keen to hit the gym again. I found that by the end of AE's 12 weeks (which I've done a couple of times) I was starting to not enjoy my workouts. Looking forward to giving this program a go. What you say in your article certainly makes sense.
Joined: 21.10.06 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 14
Status:
Posted on 19 December 2006, 21:55
Thanks for your help Malek.
Couple of quick questions re volume I'm hoping you can answer:
1. How long should I train using volume - 3 or 4 weeks?
2. Is each set taken to positive failure?
3. On day 1, is the narrow incline bench press similar to a close grip bench that targets the triceps? I am guessing it is.
4. On day 2, is it possible to add in say SLDL's and superset with hamstring curls or do you think that hamstring curls is enough. What about lunges instead??
5. On day 3, I need some substitutes for lat pulldown (I do have a lat pulldown extension for my bench if you think I should do this exercise), cable crossovers (possibly Malek Cross) and seated cable row (possibly close grip chinup).
I have to say that I am excited about starting this program especially given the progress yourself and the other members have shown.
1. How long should you train? Everybody is different. I started Brute/Volume doing 4 weeks brute and 4 weeks volume. But that didn't work for me. Why? Because I stop growing on volume (regardless of eating the same stuff every day that I eat during Brute). Only Brute makes me grow. So by my fourth week of volume, I felt extremely bored with it and unproductive, like i was totally wasting my time. So I switched to Brute 4 weeks and Volume 3 weeks. Since I grew ONLY on Brute, I decided "Hey, let's do 5 weeks Brute and 3 weeks Volume". But that didn't work either. Brute was so physically draining (because I'm increasing the weight on all the exercises every week to keep progressing). By the fifth week I hit a plateau. I couldn't improve my progress from the fourth week. THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY YOU SWITCH BACK TO VOLUME TRAINING! So you can give Brute a rest, go on volume, and then return to Brute and shock your body into more growth. So finally I settled on 4 weeks Brute and 3 weeks Volume. Any more than 4 weeks of Brute is too much for me. Any more than 3 weeks of volume is pointless and not productive. So what is good for you? I don't know. There's no way to know until you try it yourself. Start with 4 weeks Brute and 4 weeks Volume. See how you like it, then adjust.
2. I sometimes forget the definitions to "bodybuilding terminology". If positive failure means "I can't lift this weight any more! I'm done! Exhausted! Gonna die in a second!" then yes, you should lift to positive failure. Make the weight the appropriate amount to keep your positive failure within the rep range. For example, if you can do 4, and ONLY 4, squats using 200lbs, and then you're exhausted, and you want to stick to a rep range of 4-6 reps, then 200lbs sounds good. 100lbs would be bad, because you can probably lift that 10 times and you want to stick within a 4-6 rep range. Get it?
3. It kinda is. I'll leave Malek to answer this question for you. Practically nobody understands what that exercise is when they first start volume.
Question 4 and 5. I'm not sure what SLDLs are. I know what a superset is. Whenever I want substitutes for exercises I look at exercise books that give like 15 exercises for the same muscle groups. Just check out exercise websites or workout books.
Whenever you think you should change the program, you should first try it to see what works and what doesn't for you. Try it before you break it.
For example, chin-ups on Brute (day 1) NEVER worked for me. I just couldn't make progress, and I felt my lats were suffering because of it. I couldn't do the chin-ups because after my bench press and my bicep curls my arms were shot, and I couldn't do many chin-ups because my arms were physically exhausted.
So after 2 phases of Brute (8 weeks total), I finally said "forget chin ups, I'm switching to single arm bent rows using dumbbells"
Anything was better than the chin-ups. I would jump up, do 5 chin ups and fall down. And week after week I couldn't improve. For 8 weeks I did 5 chin-ups. I could never do more.
GregJ's got some solid answers for you - this really is an approach, not cast-in-stone routines. You'll quickly figure what does and doesn't work, so long as you stay true to the basic concepts you should grow.
Volume is something you need to assess - extreme ectomorphs we have found do better on a 3 week volume/4-5 week brute, for more experienced lifters who have built a tolerance to training, the 4/4 is better. FYI: not many people can truly go all-out for 5 straight weeks of brute and not hit the wall.
Failure point should be to get all the reps - if you need to, rest as little as possible, but get 'em done. Like Tk said in his note - it's a mental challenge but should be doable.
Day 3's narrow bench must be the most talked-about thing - everybody asks the same thing (isn't it tricep work?) Nope, it is meant to hit the chest and the pecs, not the triceps. And it does - if you get the form exactly right which it seems is not very easy to explain or to do.
I am going to devote a significant part of the book to it as for me I can feel the effect for DAYS afterward. In the meantime, just apply a regular bench press hold until we can get a 'perfect' description out there.
Day 4 - for pass 1 of volume yes you could use SLDL's (GregJ: these are Stiff Legged DeadLifts - they hit low back and hams very hard). I think you will find you probably do not want to do this after brute has been through but it won't hurt as you are so fresh.
It's hard to replace a lat pulldown but you can try a wide grip very slow pullup - this can hammer the lats if you do it right. The cross can easily replace the cable crossovers especially at first.
Good luck! Don't forget to take your starting measurements and a weekly progress pic - you don't need to share those with anyone, but it really helps you gauge progress.
Joined: 21.10.06 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 14
Status:
Posted on 21 December 2006, 06:03
Greg and Malek thanks for both your reply's.
Prior to my post on Tuesday I tried the upper body brute workout. I have been sore the last couple of days. Gave the close grip bench a go and think I have the form sorted. The secret appears to be really keeping the elbows close to the body. I couldn't lift as much weight this way though. I think this type of lift is what's use in the 'Scrawny to Brawny' workout.
Tonight is my first night of volume - I am going to train legs. I'm going to give the SLDL's a go and superset them with ham curls 5 x 10 (identical to 5 day volume). I'll let you know how I go.
Malek - agree with the measurements. I will get my wife to do them on the weekend.
Joined: 21.10.06 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 14
Status:
Posted on 21 December 2006, 08:12
Malek,
Well I've finished legs and I can barely walk. I started off squats with 65kg. The next two sets I had to drop to 60kg and the last three sets I used 50kg. The 30 second rest period between sets killed me. I would no sooner catch my breath and would be into the next set.
The leg extension wasn't too bad though I found myself having to pause 2/3 of the way through the set and allow my legs to recover. Is this ok?
Decided against the SLDL's and did the ham curls - they were ok.
One legged calf raises were a killer especially with the 5-0-2 tempo. Had to pause through this set also.
Had difficulty doing the seated calf raises - I was cramping in the calves and hip area (my hip flexors are pretty tight because I haven;t stretched for awhile). Any tips for doing these exercises at home? I simply placed the balls of my feet on a couple of bricks and loaded 2x20kg placed across my knees. I felt as though I could have lifted more if I wasn;t plagued by the cramps.
All in all the workout took about 40minutes to complete - is this about right?
Will do chest/back workout on Saturday. Can you suggest a substitute for seated cable rows??
Final question regarding pre and post-workout nutrition. Do you recommend 60g C (dextrose): 30g P both pre and post-workout. What about glutamine and creatine - throw these in post-workout??
Thanks again - your routine kicks a$$. I know I will grow with this routine.
Yes, that 2/3 pause is a good indication you're doing the extensions right. Pain gets bad (or at least it should!) around the 12-15 rep mark. I do the same rest/pause to finish.
Seated calf raise should not trigger cramps. Sounds like you should pursue some yoga-style lengthening work (downward dogs)
40 minutes is perfect timing!
The dextrose is good for the very thin/fast metabolisms (in fact, very important) but should not be used for the naturally heavy/fat. L-Glutamine's better pre-workout as is CEE (about 20 minutes before) along with 25-30g of protein. Post workout your mix is great.
I'm going to put Daysxorder's comment in here, there's some interesting insights in it.
26 November 2006: This routine simply kicks ass. If you've read Malek's article, then you probably have a pretty good idea of the reasoning behind the whole routine: alternate between two different types of training (Brute and Volume) in such a way that you maximize the benefits of each. There's more to it than this, but this is the essence of Brute/Volume. There is something incredibly elegant in the principles behind this routine.
During Brute for example, you're pushed to go all out in a way that you simply won't in a higher volume routine. You basically have 1-3 sets per movement with only 3 movements per day and 2 workout days per week. What this means is that you can really build your strength here on the main core exercises. Volume lets your lagging parts catch up and gives you a break for the heavy work. You overtrain a bit, but that is good because then your body will compensate with a small "boom" of growth when you start Brute again. You're just employing the basic wisdom that you grow when you rest on a long time frame.
It sounds so simple and obvious to me now, yet I'm not sure if I would have ever arrived at such a conclusion. What does all of this mean for you? Was just about to get to that cool. If you're anything like I was, you're probably skinny and had odd success with other routines and programs.
You bust your ass in the gym and you may even keep a diet, but you don't seem to really make progress. You gain a few pounds over the course of a few months only to lose it all again in a few busy weeks. Did I mention that your strength probably got stagnant after a few months?
If this is you, then let me tell you that I know how it is like. Want to know how long I've been benching between 95-105 lbs? Over three years. I kid you not. I actually thought it was normal to not increase the weight on my bench. I also never understood how others could keep making strength gains in the beginning while I was basically stuck where I started off at. Part of the reason is that I benched with bad form, but even when I began benching with good form I still did not make any real progress.
It was only when I began training with Brute/Volume that my bench took off. "Taking off" for my bench meant benching 135 for reps. I don't care if anyone thinks that my bench is puny, because I am relieved in such a way that only a real skinny guy will understand.
But why did Brute/Volume work where everything else failed? It had to do with the fact that I have a ****ty recovery system. What was low volume for someone else was high volume for me. Many people talk about triggering growth with low volume, low reps, and high weight. This principle itself is correct, but the training routines that make up from it are not necessarily also correct.
It took me a while to realize that I was a step down from even the average ectomorph. If you're in my situation, you now know what has been keeping you from attaining the body of your dreams. Once again, pretty obvious stuff, but until you make the connection between this stuff and yourself you won't be able to apply it properly. When you do, it works on so many levels.
Another thing that I really like about Brute/Volume is that you continuously repeat each cycle and do the same movements over and over again. You get to really build your strength in the movements you do, which you wouldn't be able to if you switched everything around every few months.
Last thing. Don't expect Brute/Volume to be a miracle routine that will make up for everything else you are doing wrong. If you're not eating properly or keeping a diet, don't blame the routine for your lack of progress.
This routine and really any good routine, requires you to keep a proper diet if you expect to see any results. For me it meant eliminating almost all of the powders I had been using and eating real food. So if you're eating 10,000 cal, but you can't seem to gain weight, you now know why. It's probably because you're not eating real food. Some people can get away with it, but not everyone.
So, give Brute/Volume a shot. You won't be disappointed. I have personally gained 20 lbs of lbm on it so far.
I started this today..since its a Wednesday I started with leg day..I must say my legs were shaky for about 3 hours after my workout..the 30 reps don't seem bad on paper but using that 5/0/2 scheme really hurts...thats a lot of time under tension...still amazes me how such a light weight can hurt so bad..
Notice the regimen he describes aligns very closely to a Brute phase. This is someone who clearly had trained before. I'm not sure if he (ahem) omitted to mention certain 'super supplements' he was using (suspicious) or when he actually started (no time verification in the 'before' pics) but nevertheless kudos to hard work and REAL results.
Joined: 29.04.04 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Posts: 7
Status:
Posted on 20 February 2008, 21:33
malek256 wrote:
You look to be an experienced lifter.
The quick answer is: if you have been training very hard sustained, go with Brute. Reason: Brute is best served following a bout of overtraining.
If you have just come from a lay-off/break and/or are experienced but have not been pushing with super intensity, Volume is better to begin with.
Hey malek256, I haven't been on here for quite a while and haven't been lifting either. Well, I decieded I want to stop playing around and put some mass on. I started my workouts today and started with the Brute routine. ( I didn't see your qouted post above) Do you think its ok to go ahead and continue with the Brute routine or should I switch to volume? I did decent with it today, but I'm definitely not a beast in the weight room. I stay really active coaching 2 basketball teams right now, but it's not like I play.
Will I see any gains continuing with Brute or is it a waste of my time?
I hope it is alright to post in this thread. I just didn't want to start a brand new one for a few questions, especially since there is like....2 active members. So who know if I will even get my questions answered, but here it goes:
This will be my first go and Brute/ Volume so I do have a few questions.
1.) For Brute, am I right in assuming that the tempo would be 1/0/1?
2.) As I am from the Anthony Ellis program for gaining mass, should I reduce my calories by 400 on my off days?
3.) Should I perhaps lower my protien food ratio by 5% or so during the Brute phase? I ask only because I'm eating such high levels of protein and it seems almost WASTED on a 2 days a week routine. I know Brute will be intense, but it is still only 2 days a week.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advanve!
1. If you can do 1/0/1 you probably aren't lifting heavy enough Seriously, Brute's an all-out lift and tempo adherence just isn't possible to consider when you lift that hard.
2. Calories do not need to be as high on off days. Dropping by 400 will work.
3. I do not believe in food ratios per se. As a starting point, I suggest Protein: take in 200g of protein a day. Fat: 100g. Carbs: 400g.
Your calories required are probably larger - but adding additional protein just doesn't help beyond what you can process; it does however incrementally add stress on your kidneys. Increase fat (first) and carbs (second) to get those totals up.
Wow, that was a quick reply. Thank you very much! Brute now sounds even scarier then I had imagined. I was going to use my 1-rep max (for the 3/0/1 tempo phase of Anthony's program) as my starting weight for the brute phase, but even that may be too light. Guess I need to check my starting weights before starting.